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		<title>By: dilandinga</title>
		<link>http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/2009/09/absence-of-shock-word-leaves-kiwi-readers-shocked/comment-page-1/#comment-3663</link>
		<dc:creator>dilandinga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BE</title>
		<link>http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/2009/09/absence-of-shock-word-leaves-kiwi-readers-shocked/comment-page-1/#comment-2973</link>
		<dc:creator>BE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Other than Radio New Zealand, Kiwis have no experience of public service broadcasting. Wrong: there is TVNZ7 and to some extent Maori TV.&lt;/em&gt;

Correct, but state funding of TVNZ is not permanently guaranteed. Maori TV, as you say, has some advertising. In both cases the lack of advertising results in better programmes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Other than Radio New Zealand, Kiwis have no experience of public service broadcasting. Wrong: there is TVNZ7 and to some extent Maori TV.</em></p>
<p>Correct, but state funding of TVNZ is not permanently guaranteed. Maori TV, as you say, has some advertising. In both cases the lack of advertising results in better programmes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other than Radio New Zealand, Kiwis have no experience of public service broadcasting.

Wrong: there is TVNZ7 and to some extent Maori TV.</description>
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<p>Wrong: there is TVNZ7 and to some extent Maori TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty64</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worst of it all though Brian, is being PART of it here in New Zealand. Once you&#039;re caught up in the  news gathering processes and &quot;churnalism&quot; of our mainstream media, there is no escape, simply because there are no alternatives. For journalists wanting to break from that mould is nigh-on impossible in NZ; there is nowhere to turn as all outlets are essentially the same. I think it is the most disheartening time ever to be a journalist in New Zealand, with TV driven purely by ratings, while newspaper staff and budgets have been slashed. 
Wouldn&#039;t it be great if only one channel did a news bulletin at night for example - and all the best journalists worked on that bulletin. They wouldn&#039;t have to tear each other to pieces to tell half a story - they could have time to investigate it properly. But a dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst of it all though Brian, is being PART of it here in New Zealand. Once you&#8217;re caught up in the  news gathering processes and &#8220;churnalism&#8221; of our mainstream media, there is no escape, simply because there are no alternatives. For journalists wanting to break from that mould is nigh-on impossible in NZ; there is nowhere to turn as all outlets are essentially the same. I think it is the most disheartening time ever to be a journalist in New Zealand, with TV driven purely by ratings, while newspaper staff and budgets have been slashed.<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t it be great if only one channel did a news bulletin at night for example &#8211; and all the best journalists worked on that bulletin. They wouldn&#8217;t have to tear each other to pieces to tell half a story &#8211; they could have time to investigate it properly. But a dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BE,

As a Christchurch boy who worked on its surviving daily paper in the early 1980s, then spent 24 years in the UK mostly working as a sub-editor on The Independent, the News of the World, and The Sun, and now on that well-known Melbourne tabloid but still hankering to HOLD The Times daily...I do agree. The Australian is excellent. Nothing else in Aust/NZ comes close. 

I find it interesting when I do return to NZ how my non-journalist friends bemoan the lack of quality in their nearest newspaper.

Good article, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BE,</p>
<p>As a Christchurch boy who worked on its surviving daily paper in the early 1980s, then spent 24 years in the UK mostly working as a sub-editor on The Independent, the News of the World, and The Sun, and now on that well-known Melbourne tabloid but still hankering to HOLD The Times daily&#8230;I do agree. The Australian is excellent. Nothing else in Aust/NZ comes close. </p>
<p>I find it interesting when I do return to NZ how my non-journalist friends bemoan the lack of quality in their nearest newspaper.</p>
<p>Good article, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: BE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I look at most of the country’s newspapers every day for a job I do. In my general opinion the provincial papers provide the best editorial writing, day in, day out.&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t disagree with this at all. Nothing wrong with parish pump journalism which is often of high quality. We often advise clients not to be dismissive of local papers, including the suburban giveaways. Frequently these papers are more tenacious seekers of the truth and crusaders than the metropolitan press. Ignore them at your peril.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I look at most of the country’s newspapers every day for a job I do. In my general opinion the provincial papers provide the best editorial writing, day in, day out.</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with this at all. Nothing wrong with parish pump journalism which is often of high quality. We often advise clients not to be dismissive of local papers, including the suburban giveaways. Frequently these papers are more tenacious seekers of the truth and crusaders than the metropolitan press. Ignore them at your peril.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Corrigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Corrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The local rags in much of Queensland are awful-they still devote pages to wedding photos would you believe? I dont remember even the worst provincial papers in NZ still doing that.&quot;

Robert:
Why not? If it&#039;s local news, then do it! 
News is that which is interesting and important to people. 
I started in journalism in the era when local newspapers did that -- the wedding photos, the school days, the animal shows, and so on. 
People loved seeing themselves in print, and they loved seeing photos of their kids and their kids&#039; pets in print, too.

I look at most of the country&#039;s newspapers every day for a job I do. In my general opinion the provincial papers provide the best editorial writing, day in, day out. 
They&#039;re readable, they try to illuminate, they explain, provide context, they come to an opinion. I don&#039;t always agree with them, but that&#039;s life. 
I think they do an outstanding job when they tackle subjects outside their usual &#039;parish&#039;.
So, while their overseas owners gut newsrooms of reporters, centralise functions in &#039;hubs&#039;, and so on, their leader-writers seriously try to do their job.

Back to Australian &#039;rags&#039;, though. I read recently how a group of laid-off journalists from one of those papers (might have been Gympie; I liked Gympie) set up an on-line alternative. They cover their local news, right down to the school meetings, down to who has been overseas recently (our newspapers used to do that), the council meetings ... very, very local. 
Last year The New York Times related how a couple of down-on-their-luck hacks had bought a down-on-its-luck suburban weekly that they transformed into a community powerhouse simply by getting out and covering the district. Interestingly, the advertising followed the news coverage.
When I was working in the Far North nearly 40 years ago there were two community newspapers, in Kaitaia and Kaikohe. I was up there a few weeks ago: from memory there are now eight. All covering that which is interesting and important to their local readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The local rags in much of Queensland are awful-they still devote pages to wedding photos would you believe? I dont remember even the worst provincial papers in NZ still doing that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Robert:<br />
Why not? If it&#8217;s local news, then do it!<br />
News is that which is interesting and important to people.<br />
I started in journalism in the era when local newspapers did that &#8212; the wedding photos, the school days, the animal shows, and so on.<br />
People loved seeing themselves in print, and they loved seeing photos of their kids and their kids&#8217; pets in print, too.</p>
<p>I look at most of the country&#8217;s newspapers every day for a job I do. In my general opinion the provincial papers provide the best editorial writing, day in, day out.<br />
They&#8217;re readable, they try to illuminate, they explain, provide context, they come to an opinion. I don&#8217;t always agree with them, but that&#8217;s life.<br />
I think they do an outstanding job when they tackle subjects outside their usual &#8216;parish&#8217;.<br />
So, while their overseas owners gut newsrooms of reporters, centralise functions in &#8216;hubs&#8217;, and so on, their leader-writers seriously try to do their job.</p>
<p>Back to Australian &#8216;rags&#8217;, though. I read recently how a group of laid-off journalists from one of those papers (might have been Gympie; I liked Gympie) set up an on-line alternative. They cover their local news, right down to the school meetings, down to who has been overseas recently (our newspapers used to do that), the council meetings &#8230; very, very local.<br />
Last year The New York Times related how a couple of down-on-their-luck hacks had bought a down-on-its-luck suburban weekly that they transformed into a community powerhouse simply by getting out and covering the district. Interestingly, the advertising followed the news coverage.<br />
When I was working in the Far North nearly 40 years ago there were two community newspapers, in Kaitaia and Kaikohe. I was up there a few weeks ago: from memory there are now eight. All covering that which is interesting and important to their local readers.</p>
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		<title>By: BE</title>
		<link>http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/2009/09/absence-of-shock-word-leaves-kiwi-readers-shocked/comment-page-1/#comment-2838</link>
		<dc:creator>BE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I see what you mean.&lt;/em&gt;

Thanks Catalina Y. I&#039;m delighted you agree.</description>
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<p>Thanks Catalina Y. I&#8217;m delighted you agree.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After spending my first twenty years in the UK where it was not unusual to spend hours and hours around the table after a good meal vigorously, debating topical issues NZ was a bit of a shock. You get plenty of opinions on what happened 20-30 years ago under Muldoon, Douglas, Richardson et al which seems to be a safe place to go without dinner invitations drying up. But for goodness do not point out that their changes are now embedded and have generally broad support and we are largely better off for most of them. Just stick with what terrible people they were and ask for more gravy.
I dont think NZers are really that interested in &quot;stuff&quot; and you generally see their eyes glaze over, shame really but well reflected in our newspapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After spending my first twenty years in the UK where it was not unusual to spend hours and hours around the table after a good meal vigorously, debating topical issues NZ was a bit of a shock. You get plenty of opinions on what happened 20-30 years ago under Muldoon, Douglas, Richardson et al which seems to be a safe place to go without dinner invitations drying up. But for goodness do not point out that their changes are now embedded and have generally broad support and we are largely better off for most of them. Just stick with what terrible people they were and ask for more gravy.<br />
I dont think NZers are really that interested in &#8220;stuff&#8221; and you generally see their eyes glaze over, shame really but well reflected in our newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: Catalina Y</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catalina Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then come back to me and say whether you think all or any of the people you’ve named are in the same league&#039;.

I see what you mean. I went to The Arts section and read some reviews. The use of English language; intelligent critiquing, coupled with a flowing verbal rhythm certainly conveys the impression that the level of writing is more cerebral and, hence, insightful. NZ&#039;s never had a luminary such as a Robert Hughes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then come back to me and say whether you think all or any of the people you’ve named are in the same league&#8217;.</p>
<p>I see what you mean. I went to The Arts section and read some reviews. The use of English language; intelligent critiquing, coupled with a flowing verbal rhythm certainly conveys the impression that the level of writing is more cerebral and, hence, insightful. NZ&#8217;s never had a luminary such as a Robert Hughes.</p>
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