New Zealand’s politics…individuals aside are in the biggest muck raking industry we have….and to think this particular brand started with silk underwear paid by the tax payer….not as nasty as muldoonism…but just as delimibitating
You appear to be very selective in the cutoff date you have been using for your graphic Brian.
You appear to have chosen a Roy Morgan poll for the period 20 September to 3 October. Since then there have been 3 more polls published. In the latest one the figures were Nats 50%, Labour 32.5%, Greens 9% and ACT 1.5%. Thus what you have made to appear as a marked rise for Labour appears on the latest figures, and the two polls after your cutoff and before the latest, to be merely a statistical blip.
If you are using the Roy Morgan figures don’t you think you may be letting your bias show?
If you are not using Roy Morgan could you perhaps tell us where your numbers come from?
You appear to be very selective in the cutoff date you have been using for your graphic Brian.
Oh dear, Alwyn, pre-Christmas paranoia running rampant? There is no significance to the graph at all. I like to have an illustration of some sort with all my posts and just thought a polling graph would do quite well. I grabbed the first one I found on Google. If it’s really upsetting you, I’ll find the latest version. And, by the way, I have no connection of any sort with the Labour Party and would describe my political views as centrist. Which is why Michelle Boag and I have so little to argue about on Jim Mora’s show.
Sorry I didn’t notice you did reference Roy Morgan under the graphic. However my comment about where you stopped the grap still, I think, applies
John Key 3/10 Have no confidence in him especially with his hypocritical statements
3/10 A step up from earlier when I would have considered 0/10
Paula Bennett 1/10 Being out of the press might improve her cause but her hypocrisy remains.
Anne Tolley 2/10 A minister who is busy dismantling our education system.
Rodney Hide 0/10This man should be the Minister Of Hypocrisy Do as I say not as I do!
1/10 Judith Collins Shows a degree of malice in her dealings with real people
1/10 Paula Bennett same as for Collins + destruction of the needy.
0/10 Destruction of confidence in Education and deaf to reason.
9/10 Trevor Mallard for his directness and his persistence
7/10 Simon Power for at least being consistent.
(Actually for it to be a 10 point scale there has to be a 1/10 and a 10/10)
Judith Collins and Tony Ryall were both on my initial list but neither of them got under my skin as much as the above mentioned.
The problem with this type of survey is that respondents are likey to be influenced by their own political preferences/prejudices. PJR and Ianmacyou may be a Labour supporter and it may stick in your gullet to say so but Key, Collins and Bennett have been very effective at doing the job they were elected to do by their core constituency and I say that as a Labour voter. They have done their jobs well.
The other problem is thtat most respondents, me included, are not close enough to be able to make an informed judgement. We have to rely on media reports. However here is my objective and uniformed assessment.
Key 9/10: were I a National supporter I would have to say he has done a brilliant job
Goff: 5/10 a pleasant guy but out of his depth
Brownlee: 9/10 regardless of my political views the guy has been a bloody hard worker fronting for the government in both the Christchurch and Pike River events.
Anne Tolley: 2/10 every time I hear her talk I wonder whether she actually understands the education system.
Hone Harewira: 7/10 love him or loathe him another one who has done a fantastic job for those who elected him. Rock solid in his beliefs and does not trim his sails with the political wind.
0/10 David Shearer – has he started work yet ?
0/10 George Hawkins -incapable of asking a question within standing orders despite being in parliament for 68 years.
0/10 Pansy Wong and Georgina Te Heu Heu -see above.
1/10 Bill English -Southland conservatism while being an admired quality in some we could do with a bit more oomph from our leaders.
10/10 Pete Hodgson -Fascinating in an Ian Wishart type way, likely to be snapped up by the CIA or SST when he retires.
+10 Kevin Taylor. The Karl Rove award for brilliant propaganda bullshitting is also his.
Anyone who can persuade the public that a do nothing multi-millionaire money trader who spends several weeks a year in Hawaii is actually an aspirational everyman we can all relate to deserves at least a ten.
8/10 John Key – He’s doing pretty well considering he’s the only Nat MP with any electoral “charm”
8/10 Hone Harawira – He’s the only Maori Party MP with any brand left. Pita and Tariana look very tired.
1/10 for effort, 9/10 for entertainment Anne Tolley – What a PR disaster, but fun to watch.
5/10 Phil Goff – Sigh…
8/10 Andrew Little (TRT honorary MP)- Hasn’t put a foot wrong – his conference speech was impressive old school politicking
John Key: 9/10. As his political stocks continue to rise, so do Phil Goff’s fall.
Phil Goff: 5/10. Like a fox terrier, snapping at the heels of someone wearing Doc Martens.
Pansy Wong: 2/10. Minister of Nothing; scores a ‘2’ for resigning at decent haste.
Bill English: 1/10. Like a righteous proselytizer at a Temperance gathering — with a hip flask of moonshine.
George Hawkins: 0/10. In the House, needs the occasional prod to check he hasn’t expired.
Anne Tolley (tied for last place with the entire ACT caucus):2/10
Popular with the converted, but to everyone else it is obvious that she is way out of her depth. It is so bad that if I were a conspiracy theorist I would suggest that he apparent ‘incompetence’ is a cleaver plot to rundown the education system before the introduction of vouchers.
As aforementioned, popular with a particular sector of the electorate. However, in the long term her rhetoric and apparent beliefs are incredibly damaging to the fabric of New Zealand’s civil society.
Steven Joyce (tied with Peter Dunne):3/10
Thomas Jefferson once said “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.” I tremble at the thought of Joyce ever gaining more power than he has currently because of the irreparable damage that he has done to Tertiary education in New Zealand. Bad government is typically the product of those who think that government is bad.
Pita Sharples: 6/10
I personally felt that Sharples did better outside of government. Whilst his brand of quiet steady reasoning is much needed by
New Zealand, he has underperformed on the government benches.
Like Key himself this is ranking is more for style than substance. His results and governance are reasonably lackluster, but ability to still propagate and project the ‘average amiable John Key’ image is amazing. Aside from some notable exceptions, Key is the strongest pillar in current government.
Chris Carter: 1/10
Although helped along by a vindictive media and scapegoated by a comically inept leadership, Carter has done more damage to the Labour brand than National ever could.
Phil Goff/Annette King: 3/10
Despite repeaditly being handed some terrific opportunities by the current administration Labour’s leadership duo have failed to capitalize in any meaningful manner. Goff and King and truly yesterday’s people.
Russel Norman/ The Greens: 3/10
The Greens had some early wins in 2008/2009 in regard to their policy being adopted by the government (perhaps a poisoned chalice). Since Jeanette Fitzsimons left in 2010, their performance has been at best lackluster. This is best personified by Norman.
David Cunliffe: 6.5/10
One of the current Labour opposition’s only apparent intellectual heavy weights. Is dragged down by seemingly average ability to transmit this to anyone aside from policy wonks.
An incredibly hard working and effective member of the opposition (especially in the house). It is unfortunate that he is too damaged a brand in the minds of many New Zealanders to occupy more of a leadership role in Labour because he could do great things.
My impressions and preferences are mainly subject to the amount of press they have received which has come to my attention.I also thought this was an opinion piece which my political leanings would come into play.Am I the only one who notices John Keys Flip Flops ?
“Phil Goff: 5/10. Like a fox terrier, snapping at the heels of someone wearing Doc Martens.”
Merv…Goff a Fox Terrier? John Key – Doc Martins?
More like an elderly, un-neutered (he still has some spunk) Labourador trying to urinate on someone wearing jandals – and falling over because he leaned to far to the right.
Lockwood: 6/10 Solid performance as speaker, enjoy his preference for clear questions.
Tolley: 0/10 I doubt she understands where she is on a day to day basis
English: 1/10 Combative for the sake of being combative. All political argument becomes glib and polarised as a result.
Ardern:8/10 Very accessible and seems genuine. Downright nice even.
Claire Curran: 2/10 Why is she friends with Garth McVicar on Facebook?
Bill English 0 out of 10
For introducing a tax change that makes it harder for the bottom 50% of tax payers, lowered government tax income, and not much different for the next 40%. He touted it at the time as being stimulatory for the economy but hasn’t worked out that way. By that measure, which is the only one he publicly set himself, English has proved a stunningly poor Minister of Finance.
The extra mark down to zero was earned by the way English has received half a million dollars over his parliamentary career to pay for the ignominy of living in his own house with one hand while squeezing the public sector with the other.
Gerry Brownlee 1 out of 10
For his misuse of Urgency at every opportunity in the House Brownlee’s rating takes a dive here, also his failure to grasp an actual way to improve Economic Development beyond getting Overseas companies to dig mineral deposits (that may or may not be there or be commercially viable; who knows? Not Gerry!) and paying a royalty of a Princely 1% to the government.
A man out of his depth.
Murray McCully 2 out of 10
For reshaping Foreign Aid in his own image: an image that doesn’t include Aid. Also, his work on the Rugby World Cup has yet to be convincing. Seriously, the party central in Auckland looks like a discarded condom – that’s a good idea how?
McCully is an old game-playing party hack who delivers as best a game-playing hack can.
Steven Joyce 2 out of 10
While earning 2 for actually looking like he is doing work, Joyce gets zero for understanding his role. The Broadband initiative, a National Party Flagship policy in 2008, hasn’t become concrete in two years of government under Joyce. No contractors have been selected, no definite idea what this policy should deliver.
A “golden boy” who has had time to achieve, but has yet to achieve.
John Key 3 out of 10
This is the cabinet he picked – out of all of the National party caucus, this lot, with Tolley, Bennett, Collins, Key judged these to be the best blooms in the National garden. So no points there.
Key gets three for his on-going ability to make poor government, (increased unemployment, as well as the decreased average household incomes across New Zealand [Pakeha – 2.6%, Maori –11.5%, Pacific Islanders a shameful –19%]) acceptable to the electorate.
Key is an excellent photo-opportunity Prime Minister. He isn’t anything more.
John Key – 6/10, a little bit country and a luittle bit rock’n’roll – clearly the folksy/slick PR is working wonders – but the Trans-Tasman comment makes sense – he’s still, by appearances, governing based on what the pollsters advise is popular after things are floated.
Phil Goff – 5/10, mostly invisible – but when he’s pulled in to provide something quotable he flubs it up. He’s got others facing the government at his behest, but should be leading from the front.
Pansy Wong/Chris Carter/all other demoted or removed members/ministers – 0/10 – all pretty shabby and have forgoteen what they are in parliament for.
ACT – 2/10, while they still stick to their principles they come across as hypocritical and self-serving – let’s hope this is their last hurrah.
Anne Tolley – deserves to be put on the naughty step. 2/10. Doesn’t have a grasp on the gap between successful implementation on policy and the politicking behind it.
Paula Bennett/Anne Tolley – 3/10. While they are working for their voters they go too far – work with the facts please, do not start muck-raking/name-calling – this undermines what the rest of the NZ community think of you.
Maori Party – 3/10. Very disappointing. No real guts, and concessions everywhere that will impact poorly on their core voters. Trying hard to appear to be doing the right thing.
Hone Harawira – 7.5/10 – the only Maori Party member with his eye on their voters and the needs of their demographic. More questioning of the status-quo and/or changes from the rest of them.
David Cunliffe – was 7/10 until last week, now 1/10 – your economic policy will be a disater for Labour/the left.
Trevor Mallard – 6/10 – solid in the House.
Greens – 6/10. They need to be heard more, but the Greens are the only really effective opposition we have at the moment.
Steven Joyce/Simon Power – 7/10. Effective workers, moving the National agenda forward. Shame that one of them is so smug about it.
Tony Ryall – 4/10. His use of power and data is dodgy. The changes in the health sector are evidence of how things are potentially untenable (high-level changes). The lead-up to the next election will be interesting in this area.
Bill English. 2/10. The allowance thing was a disaster for Bill. He’s a smart politician, but this was one of his worst moments. Not well managed by Key either.
Grant Robertson – 7/10 – leads well where he is the opposition spokesperson.
That’s all I have off the top of my head.
Shane Jones: 5/10 – He brings out the chip on the shoulder of the little men of the press gallery, but his handling of his persecution by said little men means that unlike Chris Carter he possibly lives to fight another day. Still my pick for eventual leader, because his appeal to conservative working class voters of all races is very effective in countering Key’s aspirational claptrap, his aristocratic demeanor reassures business and identity politics white liberals will just love to vote for a Maori.
Chris Carter 1/10 – In addition to putting back the image of gay people everywhere by a decade with a performance that confirmed every gay stereotype the general population ever had, his inept distractions have hurt the centre left at a time it didn’t need it.
Annette King, Phil Goff, David Cunliffe 3/10 – Effective neo-liberal technocrats and ministers they are terrible in opposition and on the wrong side of history and it shows. Their time has past – their Labour support base has had enough of them.
Trevor Mallard – 5/10 – A seasoned campaigner who arguably would have made a better 24-month transitional opposition leader than Goff.
Andrew Little – 4/10 – an excellent and charismatic leader of the EPMU, he has yet to show he can transfer this to the national stage.
Russel Norman – 1/10 – Single handedly doing his best to alienate the Green 6% base without adding anything new to the mix. A career politician in the wrong party.
Grant Robertson – 6/10 – hard working and popular with an eye on the leadership. However, I doubt the NZ public is ready to elect a gay prime minister.
Jacinda Ahern, Dale Shearer, Clare Curren, Darien Fenton 6/10 – all have shown the ability to work hard and make a mark in opposition. Jacinda Ahern will certainly win Auckland central back for Labour.
Phil Twyford – 9/10 – total victory over Rodney Hide in the battle for hearts and minds over the SuperCity, he has shown himself to be the only opposition member so far capable of taking on a minister and utterly defeating him.
Anne Tolley 9/10 for responding with dignity to our juvenile teachers who have no knowledge of:
1. What an election mandate means;
2. What it means to be a public “servant”;
4. What is or is not likely to scar a child for life;and
5. The country’s economic situation and what that should do to the financial expectations of us all.
John Key: 7/10
He is the master of aspirational politics and still manages to make his style of politics work. Although he has not achieved anything of note, he and he alone maintains the popularity of his government.
Bill English: 2/10
The biggest thing English has done so far is rort the taxpayer. His handling of the economy has been underwhelming at best – he is man without a plan.
Gerry Brownlee: 1/10
Was behind the governments biggest defeat so far (mining schedule 4) and still seems unable to grasp moderatly complex ideas. His management of the House is a disgrace as well.
Judith Collins: 5/10
Shes managed to get a few things done (which is a lot more than most National ministers) however, her cold, malicious and borderline psychopathic tendencies turn off a considerable chunk of the electorate.
Chris Finlayson: 8/10
He has conducted himself with mana in regard to his treaty settlement work. Also making a genuine attempt to balance the interest of Maori and non-maori in terms of the F&S. Perhaps the only intellect in the National caucus.
Steven Joyce: 1/10
He has very quickly angered 99% of tertiary students as a result of his new student loan policies. I can’t think of any notable achievements on his part apart from announcing roading projects and pissing off public transport advocates. The broadband project has encountered numerous problems under his watch too.
Rodney Hide: 0/10
Hide has alienated a significant number of Aucklanders and gifted the supercity mayoralty to the left. No need to mention his gross hypocrisy.
Peter Dunne: 2/10
Continues adrift in the political wilderness yet somehow still manages to enjoy access to a Crown limousine and a minister’s salary.
Simon Bridges: 1/10
He has his weekly slot on Breakfast but that is all we hear from him. There has been some speculation around him as a future leader. I don’t buy it – he thinks he’s Winston Peters but the problem is he lacks charm, wit, a nice smile and about everything else that made Winston successful.
Tariana Turia: 4/10
The Maori Party have had some significant wins. That been said Tariana has managed to alienate the activist and liberal sections of the party.
Pita Sharples: 5/10
Incredibly likeable yet ineffective in government. Pita was a negotiator and consensus builder in his former life sadly he has not managed to transfer those skills.
Phil Goff: 2/10
Has not managed to do much right. He seemed to be on the right track following the Party conference, sadly he has fallen back into oblivion.
Annette King: 0/10
Haven’t seen or heard a single word from her in a year
Andrew Little: 4/10
Was the stand out performer at the Party conference – along with Goff. However, from what i have seen of him in other forums he is incredibly uncharismatic.
David Cunliffe: 0/10
Was on the right track but then absolutely exploded with his ‘privatisation’ comments. He may have gifted the issue to the Nats.
Jacinda Adern: 7/10
She has been quite visible over the past two years. She seems genuine, likeable and intelligent. A future leader with Grant Robertson perhaps.
Shane Jones: 0/10
Atmospheric notions of self importance, a complete absence of political nous and a genuine sense of entitlement combine to make Shane Jones. Speaks well to the working class but is not so popular with Maori and urban liberals (he is far too conservative).
Grant Robertson: 8/10
I genuinely believe the hype around Robertson is justified. Provides a good soundbite and is
active is his tertiary education portfolio.
Trevor Mallard: 8/10
Very effective performer in the House. He hammers the government at every opportunity and most probably the most effective opposition MP.
Kelvin Davis: 5/10
Kelvin Davis is aggressive, controversial and has working class appeal. I think he attacks on the Maori Party have had some success.
Russell Norman: 5/10
The academic face of the green movement Norman is painfully boring and does not seem to have connected with the Party’s core vote.
Meteria Turei: 2/10
Invisible but highly intelligent. She is young, Maori, female and a former lawyer at Simpson Grierson – she has a lot going for her. Pity she has not been able to capatilise on her story or indeed give the green core vote something to vote for.
@ Tony – You seem to be in a minority of 1 for your the rating of Anne Tolley. I don’t think she averages 3 on the rating scale – but you are entitled to your opinion. I guess the teachers should just lay down and do nothing. Let the right wing impose their theory of politics on the New Zealand education system. Education is an investment, not a debt on a balance sheet. This government is a very shallow political organisation lurching from managing one crisis to the next with little vision for our society.
Indeed Alex, you have got it in one. Look at point 4. The debate about national standards is at the margins in terms of its impact on children. No group of public servants has the right to wilfully oppose the implementation of mandated policy simply because they disagree with it. Were it about turning schools into forced labour camps I could tolerate the oppostion but on the basis of national standards I can’t.
And Tolley’s reasonableness in the face of teachers’ rudeness needs to be recognised. So she has my support.
I have never met a teacher who is opposed to national standards, but not “Nationals” standards. Why didn’t Tolley and the Ministry of Education puppets consult the Education professionals and work together to get a true by in by teachers. National standards are important, but in this case what are the norms based on???
I guess we must agree to disagree on that score. But turning to the subject at hand, perceptions always intrigue me. I see Tolley as effective to the extent that she has held her ground in the face of much opposition. Others pan her for the same thing, apparently believing that whatever its origins the fact of opposition must make her a poor operator. Makes no sense to me. A bit like saying that the ABs are poor if they win 49:48. Not necessarily, just means they are up for the challenge.
Hmmm. We have 120 MPs? Only twenty or thereabouts have made enough media noise in the last two years to attract ratings in this poll. Anyone heard of Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi? What rating is he worth, can I ask? Or what about Raymond Huo? They are both MPs and maybe they do something for our dollar. But what? Michael Woodhouse anyone?
Number 11, you are spot on. There are a number of invisible MPs (mainly list) of whom nothing is heard. Possibly Asif Chaudrey, because he is the most invisible and because of his fence sitting on prostituion law reform, gets a mention, but for the rest, the public has not the foggiest idea whether they are working hard or are just bench warmers.
They remind me of a Dilbert cartoon.
“Ed is an unreachable; he doesn’t answer his phone or return messages. He’s never in his cubicle and e doesnt read e-mail.”
“Does he use the rest room?”
“No we think he modified his briefcase.”
I think that sums up many of our so called representatives, who would collectively rate 0/10 if only we knew who they were.
Number Eleven: “Hmmm. We have 120 MPs”
I kind of get where you’re coming from, but also believe that MPs are there to represent their electorate, not be media show ponies. I’m always a bit worried about calls to decrease representation. If they are crappy MPs perhaps the media should go find out and tell us about them, then we can make an informed opinion.
While democracy has its problems, less democracy creates more don’t you think?
All MPs should be evaluated on their performance by a panel of respected columnists/commentators. And their findings should be made public.
There is just so much deadwood in Parliament. Certainly, enough for all the older-style Wellingtonian homes to have roaring fires, during winter.
The people rating here blow those rating at Transtasman out of the water.
8/10 Very accessible and seems genuine. Downright nice even.
Sorry Brian by ‘Ardern’ I meant Jacinda Ardern, not Shane. I have no opinion on how nice Shane is.
1/10 – Tariana Turia. An increasingly venal and alway vindictive women, she has become so consumed by her personal vendettas that she has lost sight of why she was elected in the first place.
0/10 – Pita Sharples – Gives every impression of always agreeing with whoever he last spoke to. This combined with his habit of wearing his heart on his sleeve means he ends up looking like a bewildered and blustering pensioner justifying his purchase of a new vacumm cleaner from a door to door salesman.
2/10 – Hone Harawira. He gets a two for sincerity. Otherwise he is just a racist bastard.
8/10 – John Key. Cold have been a seven or nine, but lost a mark because recently he has started to show signs he is beginning to believe he might actually have some substance, only to be caught by the most simple questions from a simpering media. Adored by the well-off white middle class, he returns the favour. To that ended, I gave him an extra mark for revealing he doesn’t read books, a revelation that will only make the suburban middle class love him even more.
2/10 – Bill English. Revealed as a small town shop keeper in charge of a country, he has added hypocrisy to his quiver.
2/10 – Stephen Joyce, Arrogant, smug, high handed and all in favour of the right sort of cronyism, the man who made his money in talk back radio is revealed as a true believer in the type of person who calls.
-10/10 – Rodney Hide. The corrupt 1.5% Mussolini and his ridiculous Whacky Racers have no place in our parliament.
1/10 – Judith Collins. Frankly, she scares me. The sort of person who would happily pen a memeo supporting warerboarding, a furture career in the Republican Party beckons.
3/10 – Chris Finlayson, Simon Power, Gerry Brownlee, Tony Ryall, Chris Tremain, Kate Wilkinson… A three for services to the cause dedicated to the proposition that rule of white middle aged men, by middle aged white , for middle aged white men, shall not perish from the earth.
0/10 – Anne Tolley. She clearly hasn’t got a clue, and seems to interpret monolithic oppostion as a sign she is achieving whatever it is she thinks she is after.
Image: 10/10 Can’t fault the gentleman on how well he relates to the public. He is to National what Norman Kirk or Lange was to Labour. If National wins a second term, it will be because of Mr Key – not because of anything that Party has achieved.
Actually Doing Anything: 1/10 His nick-name of “Do Nothing John” is well earned. Can anyone point to anything (positive) his administration has achieved since November 2008? The cycleway? Tax-cuts for the top income-brackets? A GST increase that impacts on low and fixed income earners? Anything…?
Other leaders (as I see them)…
Image: 3/10 I don’t know what is is, but Phil Goff the TV camera just doesn’t ‘like’ the guy.
Ability: 7/10 He’s actually a competant member of Parliament and has the nous to lead. But his public image undoes his capabilities.
Image: 0/10 Dead Man Walking.
Ability: ??? Hard to tell.
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