Posted by BE on May 7th, 2012
Take your point Martin but loving it just the same.
I don’t much care what happens to Banks but I really want to see Dotcom win!
I think Dotcoms done enough, he doesnt want to become well worn; if i was advising him id tell him to keep quiet until a possible victory dance
BE: Couldn’t agree less, Martin. We’ve taken Dotcom to our hearts, partly because he’s a larger than life character and full of fun. But also because many of us aren’t happy with the way we’ve kowtowed to the Americans and the insane response of our Rambo cops.
I do care what happens to banks.If he is found guilty I expect to see a fair punishment imposed.If he’s found not guilty I guess he’s dodged another bullet.
pjr, if he is found guilty he will get two punishments. First, the courts will impose one according to the law and second he will lose his parliamentary seat and job.
Even if he is charged but then found not guilty he will probably have already lost his Ministerial job.
However I think it is quite probable he has obeyed the letter of the law and will not be charged. Many other politicians and parties have not even managed that. Some have been rescued only by the rapid expiry of the period within which they can be charged.
Mr Hide is hardly “nothing to Hide,” but I bet he is at least amused.
Footnote: It’s amazing how the world’s bludgers think that “intellectual property” should be free by right, solely because it is digital and can be accessed. Do they download their houses and cars, instead of paying for them? The bastards would if they could.
Footnote 2: lest you misunderstand me, I assure you I’m one of the in-electorate campaigners who tried to keep the detestable Banks OUT of Epsom. Banks and Schmidt deserve each other.
Wake Up: “Why is it so easy to forget that he just may be the biggest fraudster to ever cross our borders?”
a) Because the courts will determine that.
b) Because as a very long-time IT professional I am fully aware that the charges are very far from clear-cut.
c) Because even if he has committed a copyright offence that is not an extraditable offence and has been inflated into one only by blatant mis-use of the anti-terrorist money-laundering legislation inflicted on us by US coercion.
The Schmidt/Dotcom PR machine rolls on apace, and you’ve just aided and abetted it. Why is it so easy to forget that he just may be the biggest fraudster to ever cross our borders? – a feat which he acheived pretty much for the price of a bundle of fireworks. What a cargo-cult banana republic we are.
BE: Nor my reading of the legal situation at all. Perhaps we should wait for the outcome of the court case before branding Dotcom guilty. And the same for the Banks hearing. No reason we shouldn’t have a bit of fun in the meantime.
Wow Alan there’s hope for us yet, BFF?
Although Im not a fan of Dotcoms behaviour ,what I dislike is that there are still other operators still doing a similar thing.He seems to be somewhat of a scapegoat.
pjr, actually for the future of “cloud” computing it is very important that competitive services for file storage continue to be offered and that will only happen if those service providers are as free from legal responsibility for the material stored in them as ISPs are for transmitting it.
We should all be hoping Dotcom’s lawyers win that case and if not then legislation must be changed accordingly.
Yes BE he is a larger than life character but sometimes less can be more in terms of keeping people perpetually interested. I think that a lot of the interest he generates is due to the fact most people had not heard of him before, publicity events such as this incur a risk to him of becoming trite. Willy Wonka was always an intrigue behind his gates.
Yes its horrific they managed to close it down before he had a chance to defend it. Absolute state thuggery
The guy’s a genius. We’re so lucky to have him living here in NZ.
Dotcom 1 – Banks 0
If this plays out the way I expect it to, there’ll be a huge compensation claim involved. Somebody shut down a $US1b business without so much as a show trial to back up some fairly wild allegations. I hope the US government are underwriting the bills on this one, but I fear the taxpayer may have to stump up for the incompetence demonstrated when our little banana republic seized all of Dotcom’s assets and seriously incovenienced the man.
I see Rodney Hide has written a considered piece in today’s Herald: http://tinyurl.com/Hide-Dotcom
I watched the John Campbell interview with Dotcom some weeks back intending to dislike him and was seriously impressed. He is self deprecating, clever and extremely convincing. His view of the relevant law was – without any objective verification admittedly – very persuasive.
If we ultimately learn that a billion dollar company run out of NZ was shut down with no possibility of resurrection (surely the opposition has filled the void) and the action was illegal or even just misguided then heads should roll.
@ Wake Up, if Dotcom is such as fraudster, what does that say about Banks befriending him. There is more water to go under the bridge regarding the Dotcom story, but as for John Banks, his integrity is shot, worthless. He is certainly not worth respecting or being listened to. He cannot remain associate Minister of Education. All employees in the Education sector need to disown him and the electorate of Epsom need to send him to Coventry.
@alex May 7th, 2012 at 21:33 : “@Wake Up, if Dotcom is such as fraudster, what does that say about Banks befriending him?.”
Precisely my point (and see my footnote above re Epsom)
Meanwhile, our juvenile media and bored public and y’all just can’t help loving Herr Dotcom to bits…
Here’s Les Dotorg May 7th : “The guy’s a genius. We’re so lucky to have him living here in NZ.” / Alan Wilkinson May 7th : “I don’t much care what happens to Banks but I really want to see Dotcom win!” / Old Tony May 7th : “I watched the John Campbell interview with Dotcom some weeks back intending to dislike him and was seriously impressed. He is self deprecating, clever and extremely convincing.”
@Old Tony’s is the best – a perfect capsule description of the perfect con-man. (Remember Milan Brych?)
God, we’re an immature country.
Wake Up, no, we’re not immature. We like to see the law applied fairly before rushing to judgment. And we are not impressed by Hollywood productions and US political graft taking over our police force. It appears you are which seems pretty immature to me.
Alan, as you always seem to do, you can tapdance around petty details as much as you like, but I object to your personal abuse.
What I said was : the COUNTRY behaves immaturely at times like this (happens time and time again).
Your abusive response to me, though, is also a perfect example.
Wake Up, don’t be pathetically precious. Countries don’t behave, only people do. And if you can’t take criticism, don’t dish it out. That is certainly immature.
JC: That’s enough, both of you. We don’t allow personal abuse of other contributors on this site.
Like most raps, this one becomes boring after about 60 seconds…..Yawn
BE: As a generalisation I agree with you. ‘Rap music’ seems to me to be a misnomer since it is largely devoid of anything that can be considered ‘musical’. (With the exception I suppose of its characteristic beat.)But then, as I keep reading in the press, I’m a fossil.
JC: That’s enough, both of you.
I bow to you, Madam Chair, and promise to play nicely – most of the time.
I’d agree primarily with Old Tony and several others – Dotcom aquitted himself brilliantly with Campbell and I’m convinced he’s a bloke we should keep as our own. No need to sell kebabs – let’s just turn him loose and let him go.
As for “God, we’re an immature country” from Wake Up – that’s tripe Sir, and you know it. This country’s as old as the hills. Some of the old turds in it, are not.
Whats new? just more dog eat dog eat dog.
I heard that on Radio New Zealand – National.
Poor old NZ, run by old has-been politicos and wide-boy con men apprentices.
I heard that on talkback radio.
Kat, this is new and quite interesting. Probably won’t confirm your prejudices though:
“JC: That’s enough, both of you. We don’t allow personal abuse of other contributors on this site.”
and still on topiC,
oops, itchy trigger finger, premature send, sorry !
…and still my topic – which is the New Zealand polity’s immature, cargo-cult, knee-jerk attitude to con-men – I simply offer a list, and rest my case: Milan Brych, Israeli spies, French saboteurs, Tame Iti, Kim Schmidt/Dotcom…in every case, we’ve behaved like impressionable teenagers, fans even. There’s going be fresh ro8nd of egg-on-face when the Dotcom PR machine finally runs out of steam.
“in every case, we’ve behaved like impressionable teenagers, fans even”
??? You had better speak for yourself since you certainly don’t speak for the rest of New Zealanders.
Seems this song release was a harbinger of more Dotcom self publicity; now a movie…
I am even more convinced than ever he will become trite now in contrast to BE saying he couldnt agree less
I left out Jenny Shipley and the buses to protect Chinese “dignitaries”.
Martin, I don’t think I agree. He has the choice of letting the media type-cast him or blowing his own trumpet his way. I’m picking so far he’s pretty smart, innovative and not likely to fall into too many traps.
Forget about Bing and Frank, or Dean and Sammy, or pavaroti and whoever, somebody shoud record a duet of Tama Iti with DotCom!!!!
Alan, how do you relate your interpretation of any prejudices that I may have with that report?
On a topic more aligned to the old has-been politico, rap singer and con man in the above photo:
Kat, I happen to entirely agree with Brian Gould, possibly for the very first time, on that topic.
Alan I respect your opinion but i think that the interview on Campbell Live was sufficient to show his side of the story and his character; the extra things he is doing now risk him becoming typecast as a media seeking whore like Paul Henry or The Kardashians. Attention seekers never do well in the long run in NZ.. Charlotte Dawson for example.
Martin, I think that depends how much wit and wisdom they apply to the task. Arguably Bob Jones has survived ok over many years but Dotcom obviously has a much shorter campaign period in view.